April/ The true story of the birth of the Seminole Warchant
|The true story of the birth of the Seminole Warchant By Charlie Barnes, Executive Director – Seminole Boosters April/May 2008 Thirty years ago in Palm Beach County, young men who lived west of Military Trail were called �cowboys.� Chief among the cowboys for the purpose of our story was one Rob Hill. It�s been said each of us will be famous for fifteen minutes. Well, Rob Hill�s exposure to fame only lasted about fifteen seconds but it was a doozy. On a forgotten football weekend long ago, a camera crew from ABC in search of local color descended on the Theta Chi fraternity house at Florida State University and asked to meet or see evidence of Rob Hill. Little Theta Chi pledges went scurrying through the hallways, camera in tow until they stopped in front of a framed display with small photographs of each Fraternity member. Out of breath, bursting with pride, the boys pointed to one picture and the cameras focused in. �That�s him!� they said. �That�s Rob Hill, the man who invented the Seminole Warchant!� Whether Rob Hill was in fact the singularity at the point of the Big Bang is open to speculation, but there�s no question that the three significant players in creating the Seminole Warchant were: the Scalphunters, the Theta Chi Fraternity and the Marching Chiefs. Since there seems to be such a strong interest in the subject among so many Seminole fans, let�s explore the Warchant story from the perspective of four people who were closely involved in its origin. Rob Hill entered FSU as a freshman and followed his fellow Palm Beach cowboys to the Theta Chi Fraternity. Prominent Orlando attorney and developerTodd Southwas also a Theta Chi cowboy who continued to remain active in his fraternity and in Scalphunters all the way through the FSU Law School, graduating in 1985. South is now a Director on the Seminole Boosters National Board and has a freshman son at FSU. �Those Palm Beach guys included Bobby Kreusler along with Glenn and Ed Criser, sons of University of Florida President Marshal Criser. They loved to send their dad garnetgold balloons,� says South. �The thing started in 1983 or 1984. Late in the game with the game in-hand, our guys would make a moaning Indian sound and the arm motion. It became a late game tradition, sort of like lighting cigars in the 4th quarter. People would turn around and say, �What the hell are they doing?� The physical motion is different today. To duplicate the original arm motion, raise your right arm pointed to the right, then place the palm of your hand behind your head. Your arm goes straight out to the right, as if pointing to the goal, before returning to the back of your head. It wasn�t a �tomahawk chop� or a chop of any kind. The original motion repeatedly pointed to the right. It soon morphed into the motion we see today where the arm moves directly forward in front of the body. Peggy Bazzellbegan with the Boosters in 1981 and retired in 2007. Peggy was in charge of Donor Records and knew everyone; she did a great deal of fundraising simply by talking to donors. �That spirit group (the Scalphunters) and the Theta Chis were the first components in the development of the Warchant,� she said. �Seating the spirit group close to the Chiefs made it all come together because some chant-like noise developed�Once the Chiefs got involved the noise became an actual war chant�This was the beginning of everything.� Peggy does not believe there was a single instant that made the Warchant come to life, but that over the course of a year-and-a-half it developed into a substantial phenomenon that every fan in the stadium embraced, not just the students. Butch Rahmanis Senior Vice President of Colonial Bank in Lakeland. Before his graduation in 1986 he was a distinguished student Senator, Vice President of Gold Key and a leader in Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity. Rahman recalls, �Some friends and I were walking by the Seminole Booster office (then located on Wildwood Drive) when a Theta Chi namedBobby Kreuslercame out of his fraternity house on his way to the Scalphunters meeting.� Kruesler was on his way to teach the Theta Chi �chant� to the Scalphunters. �I asked him what it sounded like,� says Rahman. �I�d heard it before. Our two fraternities were friendly and used to sit next to each other at the games. This guy named Rob Hill would just stand up and do it by himself. People used to turn around and say �What in the world is he doing?�� Rahman offered Kreusler an alternative. Butch Rahman had graduated from Natick High School in Massachusetts where they�d used a rhythmic, repetitive chant to support their teams. �It wasn�t organized at all, and there was no arm motion,� he says, �But it was catchy.� Kreusler was enthusiastic. �It�s perfect!� Rahman said, �He loved it, so I coached him and told him to teach that to the Scalphunters. Later, it was during that Auburn game on October 13, 1984, that the Marching Chiefs heard it and started playing around with the tune. After the game, band members turned to us and asked us to do it again so they could get the music right.� Tom Desjardin is the official Historian for the State of Maine. Tom was an FSU student from 1982 through 1988, earning both his B.S. and M.S. He took his Ph.D. in History from the University of Maine. His interest in history motivated him to record the Warchant�s origin in a letter fifteen years ago. We reached him recently at his home in Maine and he was kind enough to share his recollections. Desjardin was a member of Phi Gamma Delta and was named Greek Man of the Year. As President of the Interfraternity Council, he says that he and �Fred the Seminole Head� Miller first introduced the Chant at a student pep rally in 1984. Miller was a star running back for the Seminoles in the early 1970s, and was elected Homecoming Chief by the student body in 1976. As an alumnus, Fred remained a superfan, painting the Seminole image on his own bald head for every game. In October of 1984, the Scalphunters staged a pep rally. Desjardin remembers, �The week of the FSU vs. Auburn game a Theta Chi named Bobby Kreusler came to us with what sounded to us like a goofy cheer where we waved our hands behind our heads.� On Friday night (October 12) before the game, the Scalphunters held their pep rally in the parking lot behind the south endzone where the University Center Club stands now. Thousands of enthusiastic students crowded around the bonfire. Desjardin was emcee at the pep rally and Glen Criser, Vice President of the Student Body, suggested to him that they bring all the Scalphunters up on stage to demonstrate the new cheer and teach it to the students. �We introduced it and got about forty of us up on stage.� Desjardin smiles and says, �In front of a crowd the thing didn�t appear as goofy as we had thought. But it still needed a lot of work.� Desjardin says their efforts to initiate the new cheer at remaining 1984 home games met with mixed success. But events were to take a dramatic turn exactly one year later, on October 12, 1985. The Seminoles played at Auburn and nearly 20,000 Seminole fans made the trek through the gorgeous autumn countryside to Jordan-Hare Stadium. Thousands of Seminoles drove to Auburn without tickets, just to be near the game and enjoy the atmosphere.�For some reason, our tickets were all together in one section in the endzone, and we were almost right down on the field,� said Desjardin. He and the other Scalphunters settled in and began to lead the Warchant. The magic of a single moment overtook everyone by surprise. It happened in the second quarter of play as the Seminoles were driving for a touchdown. �Our �Noles were moving right toward us in the endzone,� recalls Desjardin. �We got as loud as we could, trying to make the team hear us and get everyone fired up.� Then it happened. �As we were doing the cheer, we realized something that none of us had known before. At some point during the season, the Marching Chiefs had developed a drum beat and trumpet flourishes for the Chant!� It seems astonishing but, Desjardin says, �Prior to that game at Auburn, we never heard the band play during the Chant. At Auburn, the Chiefs were on about the ten yard line facing at an angle toward us. When we all did the Warchant together, the effect was electrifying!� The rhythmic music helped orchestrate fans� arm motions in unison. Thousands of voices all rang loud, together as one, coupled with the driving beat of the Marching Chiefs. �It was incredible,� says Desjardin. �I remember the look on some of the Auburn players� faces when the cheer reached its peak. You could tell it affected the players on both sides and the Chant helped to inspire a huge goal-line stand by our defense.�This was originally printed in the April/May 2008Florida State Timesmagazine. The author has given his permission to reprint this article.|
Tomahawk chop – Wikipedia
It is most commonly used by fans of the AmericanFlorida State Seminoles, Atlanta Bravesbaseball club, Kansas City ChiefsAmerican footballteam, and the EnglishExeter Chiefsrugby unionteam to celebrate victories in sporting events. Performing the “chop” at the high school level, where hundreds of teams continue to use Native American names and images, has played a role in the push to modify these traditions. In order to replicate atomahawkchopping, the forearm is moved forwards and backwards repeatedly with an open hand.
Additionally, the Atlanta Braves created a foam tomahawk to go along with the fan activities.
Florida State University
Tomahawk Chop for the Florida State Seminoles It is not known when the tomahawk chop first appeared on the scene. However, according to a formerFlorida State Universitypresident, it was created by theFlorida State University Marching Chiefs in the 1980s to serve as a supplement to their war cries. According to another source, it was originally played in 1984 by students from the inter-fraternal association known as “The Scalp-Hunters,” which was in charge of the FSU band. Following that, supporters of the Florida State Seminoles took to the streets to demonstrate their support.
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Kansas City Chiefs
During a performance by the Northwest Missouri Stateband, conducted by 1969 Florida State graduate Al Sergel, the Chiefs heard the chant for the first time in November 1990. “It is a direct descendent of Florida State,” said Phil Thomas, the Chiefs’ director of promotions and marketing. “The band started executing the tomahawk chop, and the players and (coach)Marty Schottenheimer were all really enthusiastic about it.” At home games, the Tomahawk Chop has become something of a pregame ritual….
A former player or local celebrity will also hammer on the drum while the audience does the Tomahawk Chop in a more recent version of the Tomahawk Chop.
Fans of the Atlanta Braves performing the tomahawk chop The tomahawk chop was popularized by Atlanta Braves supporters in 1991, when the team won the World Series. While some have attributed Deion Sanders with bringing the chop to Atlanta, it was Braves organist Carolyn King who first began performing the “tomahawk song” in the 1970s. It took a few seasons before King began playing the “tomahawk song” before at-bats, but when the Braves started winning in 1991, the song gained popularity among the fans.
It was described as “a proud show of togetherness and family” by the Braves’ public relations director in response.
The chief informed her that abandoning her position as organist would have no effect on anything and that “they would find someone else to play” if she did go.
It was the last official act performed at Turner Field before the Braves moved to SunTrust Park, and it was the last official act performed at Turner Field before the Braves moved to SunTrust Park.
In sports, an afoam tomahawk is a rubbersports paraphernalia item (similar to an afoam No. 1 finger) in the shape of an atomahawk that is frequently used in conjunction with the tomahawk chop. They were initially used in 1991 by the Atlanta Braves baseball club, who had adopted the tomahawk chop as a part of their offensive strategy.
Paul Braddy, a foam salesperson, is credited with inventing foam tomahawks. When he heard Skip Caray state during a radio broadcast of an Atlanta Braves game that the team needed tomahawks to go with their recently acquired tomahawk chop celebration, he approached the Braves’ concessions manager, John Eifert, and suggested a foam rubber tomahawk as a possible solution. Braddy made a tomahawk out of foam with an electric knife and presented it to Eifert, who consented as long as they cost less than $5.
It wasn’t long before the foam tomahawks were extremely popular with Braves fans at the Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium—so popular that Braddy was able to abandon his $60,000 per year sales position in order to devote his full time to the production of foam tomahawks, producing as many as 8,000 per day.
He was approached by Major League Baseball a month into the enterprise, who claimed that the foam tomahawk infringed upon the Atlanta Braves’ copyrighted tomahawk emblem, which he refused to acknowledge.
Paul Braddy, a foam salesperson, is credited with creating foam tomahawks. Upon hearing Skip Caray state during a radio broadcast of an Atlanta Braves game that they were in need of tomahawks to go with their recently acquired tomahawk chop celebration, he contacted John Eifert, the Braves’ concessions manager, and suggested a foam rubber tomahawk as a possible alternative. Braddy used an electric knife to cut a tomahawk out of foam for Eifert, who agreed as long as they cost less than $5. For the Atlanta Braves, Eifert purchased 5,000 for sale.
In order to make money, Braddy started selling them.
After receiving approval from Major League Baseball Properties, Braddy entered into a partnership with the organization to license the MLB symbol and get logistical help in exchange for a 10 percent share of the company’s income.
The name “Chiefs” was first used by the English rugby side Exeter Chiefs, who won the Premiership in 1999. Following their promotion to the English Premier League in 2010, they began employing the Tomahawk chop in conjunction with the war chant. Sandy Parkas well as a chant by their traveling fans during rugby matches elsewhere in the United Kingdom, they utilize it as their walk out music at Sandy Parkas well. Several Exeter Chiefs fans began a petition in June 2020, demanding for an end to the team’s usage of Native American iconography, especially the Tomahawk chop, and for the club to cease using such imagery.
The use of the tomahawk chop has prompted accusations that it is a slap in the face of Native American tradition. It was also condemned for being a euphemism for the once prevalent practice ofscalping. Shortly after the Atlanta Braves adopted it, there were a number of calls from Native Americans urging Braves supporters to refrain from doing the tomahawk chop during games. Prior to the 1991 World Series, a group of Native Americans demonstrated outside the Metrodome to express their opposition to the Braves’ use of the tomahawk chop.
Native American organizations petitioned the Kansas City Chiefs in 2016 to discontinue performing the tomahawk chop.
The editorial board of the Kansas City Star newspaper has advocated for the abolition of the so-called “Arrowhead Chop” by the end of 2019, citing resistance from Native Americans and Tribes, as well as the fact that the practice caricatures and dehumanizes Native Americans, among other things.
- Since then, the topic has remained, and it made national headlines once more during the 2019 National League Division Series.
- Louis Cardinals relief pitcher and Cherokee Nation memberRyan Helsley responded positively.
- According to the Braves, they will “continue to assess how we activate components of our brand, as well as the overall in-game experience” and that they would “continue to speak with folks in the Native American community” when the postseason finishes.
- After the Cleveland Indians and the Washington Redskins revealed that they were exploring a brand change in July 2020, the franchise faced increased pressure to update its image.
The Braves issued a statement stating that conversations regarding the rebranding were still underway, but that the team name would not be changed in the meanwhile.
In popular culture
Several people have expressed concern that the tomahawk chop was making light of Native American culture. Aside from that, it was called out for being an allusion to the formerly prevalent practice of scalping. Shortly after the Atlanta Braves adopted the tomahawk chop, a number of Native American organizations called for Braves supporters to refrain from doing the gesture. Several Native Americans demonstrated outside the Metrodome prior to the 1991 World Series in protest of the Braves’ use of the tomahawk chop.
- Earlier this year, the Gill-Montague Regional School Committee, a local school board in Massachusetts, outlawed the usage of the gesture at school athletic events, claiming that it was insulting and discriminatory in nature.
- This same year, the Exeter Chiefs were approached with a similar proposition.
- With regard to politics, during the 2012 Senate election in Massachusetts, workers of candidateScott Brownwere caught performing the tomahawk chop at a campaign rally towards supporters of Elizabeth Warren, in order to discredit Warren’s claim to be descended from Native Americans.
- When questioned about the chop and chant throughout the series, St.
‘The yelling and arm movements of the supporters were offensive,’ Helsley said, adding that the cut depicted Indians “in this kind of caveman-type people way, who aren’t smart.’ When the series went to Atlanta for Game 5, the Braves decided to discontinue the distribution of foam tomahawks, the playing of chop music, and the display of the chop graphic.
To begin discussing a road ahead, the Atlanta Braves met with representatives from the National Congress of American Indians during the offseason.
It was announced by the Braves in a statement that conversations over the rebranding were still underway, but that the team’s name would not be altered.
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“The Braves are debating whether or not to employ the Tomahawk Chop, but they haven’t decided on a moniker.” It was published on July 8, 2020 by The Athletic; “Robin Gets Another Shot!” was posted on YouTube on July 8, 2020;
War Chant / Tomahawk Chop
Words fail me when it comes to describing the distinct sound and magnificent spectacle. It’s one of the most renowned noises in college football, and it leaves an indelible impression on everybody who attends a game at Florida State University. No one is really certain when or how this custom began (though there are plenty ofentertaining stories).
This is exactly what it sounds like: a getdown in the heart of downtown. In this case, it is more of a blend of pep rally and block party than anything else. Of course, we’re talking about downtown! Aside from the fact that the pub scene is loud and there is live music wherever you look, it is also a family-friendly environment. Make sure to take a look at this sea of gold and garnet on the Friday before each home game!
Tallahassee isn’t just a one-trick town; it has a lot to offer those who aren’t interested in the institution. If you arrive in Tallahassee early on Friday (or if you are dreading leaving on Sunday), take advantage of some of the city’s most popular local attractions. Taking them is a terrific way to get some exercise, keep your kids entertained, and get a feel for the area!
Walk Around Historic Downtown
You don’t have to be a history geek to appreciate the historic district of Tallahassee, Florida. In addition to interesting buildings such as the Capitol Complex (with the fully restored Florida Florida Historic Capitol Museum), the Museum of Florida History, and the John G. Riley Museum of African American History and Culture, the Park Avenue Historic District is also a sight to see. With so much history, culture, and everything in between, you’re guaranteed to walk out of the place knowing more than you did when you first stepped foot into it.
Goodwood Musuem and Gardens
The Good Museum and Gardens are a great place to get a taste of the spectacular Antebellum architecture in Charleston. This mansion, which was erected in the 1830s and encompassed 2,400 acres of land, was the first of its kind in the country. The mansion received a substantial refurbishment in 1911, during which its original style and elgance were re-established. The mansion is presently situated on around 160 acres of expansive property. Come take a tour of the main home, which dates back 170 years, and stroll around the gorgeous gardens on the grounds!
Bradley’s Country Store
Visit the Good Museum and Gardens to get a taste of the magnificent Antebellum architecture. Originally established in the 1830s, this estate had 2,400 acres of land and was home to a number of notable figures. Major renovations were carried out on the home beginning in 1911, at which time its original architecture and elgance were restored. On around 160 acres of expansive property, the mansion has finally been constructed. Come take a tour of the main home, which dates back 170 years, and stroll around the gorgeous gardens on the grounds!.
Tallahassee International Airport: Tallahassee International Airport is approximately 5 miles from school, making it a handy option for students.
Although it is a tiny airport, it is served by a number of major carriers, including American Airlines and Delta. Jacksonville International Airport: Although Jacksonville International Airport is further away from campus (approximately 2.5 hours), it is frequently substantially less expensive.
Parking might be a headache, but have a look at this map, which shows some of the most popular lots:
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FLORIDA’S SEMINOLES: CHOP FOOEY FSU SAYS TOMAHAWK BEGAN AS ITS CHANT
The Seminoles of Florida are known for their chop fooy. TOMAHAWK BEGAN AS A CHANT AT FSU, SAYS THE UNIVERSITY. When the Florida State University basketball team comes to Chapel Hill on Sunday for its first-ever meeting with the Atlantic Coast Conference, refrain from using the politically incorrect term “tomahawk chop” to describe its now-famous arm action. It is possible that the players and their supporters may be outraged. ‘The battle chant,’ say FSU supporters, is the proper term for this chorus.
- It’s just that they don’t like the new name.
- According to a CNN sportscaster, Deion Sanders, a former Florida State standout who is now a part-time Atlanta Brave, was the one who began it.
- “I don’t know how it got started,” Bowden said.
- According to some, Rob Hill, a Florida State University student in the early to mid-1980s, should be given credit – or blame, depending on how one views the war chant – for inventing the phrase.
- ‘He made it up himself,’ recalls Bobby Kreusler, a Florida State University graduate who was a member of Hill’s fraternity.
- Hill blended the chant – which, according to a billboard near the Florida State University campus, says oooohoo ohoo – with the arm movement.
- The next year, executives from the Seminole Boosters approached Kreusler, who was the leader of a student club known as the Scalphunters, and requested him to teach the chant to the cheerleaders.
- Officials from the university claim that they have received no negative feedback.
- While some Native American organizations have criticized the tomahawk chop, others have called for the Atlanta Braves to alter their name and to abandon the move altogether.
- So, how disruptive will the battle chant be when the Florida State Seminoles and the North Carolina Tar Heels square off on Saturday?
- The institution received just approximately 80 tickets for the game and will not be sending its pep band, cheerleaders, or mascot, Chief Osceola, to represent it on the road.
‘But you’ll still hear it,’ Jim Melton, president of the Florida State University Alumni Association, guarantees. ‘At the very least, North Carolina may employ it against us.’ Get the latest local news sent directly to your inbox!
Oregon players sang ‘No means no!’ to the tune of Florida State’s war chant, face punishment
It was a tight 18-13 score in the first half of Thursday’s Rose Bowl between Oregon and Florida State before it became nasty in the second half. Furthermore, the ugliness continued after the Ducks’ 59-20 defeat was complete. Several Ducks were spotted copying Florida State’s tomahawk chop and shouting “No means no!” to the tune of FSU’s well-known war chant during Oregon’s celebration of their victory in the first-ever College Football Playoff semifinal game. There is no other way to interpret it but as a reference to the rape accusation that has trailed Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston nearly since the moment he took over as the Seminoles’ quarterback in 2013.
Beyond being a terrible example of sportsmanship in triumph, it is also a distressing exploitation of a probable sexual assault as material for humorous ridicule of a sports figure.
The Seminoles’ 29-game winning run came to an end with the defeat.
However, his night had already taken an ugly turn, as his egregious blunder played a role in a 34-0 Ducks surge to end the game.
11:25 p.m.: An update has been made.
This is not in keeping with the values of our programs, and the student-athletes will be reprimanded internally.”