Part 1: MLS v SGs – Beyond The YSA Chant
In my capacity as the sole contributor who is also an active member of a Supporter’s Group (SG), I have been questioned about my thoughts on Major League Soccer (MLS) and a few clubs’ efforts to put an end to the “You Suck Asshole!” (YSA!) chant during games. To begin, I would want to emphasize that this is my personal perspective on the YSA chant and does not reflect the official position of the Dallas Beer Guardians leadership on the subject. To be quite honest, I have no idea what we would do if the FO and MLS sought to shut down our chants, and as of right now, they have not attempted to do so.
It was this letter that re-ignited the issue about the chant.
I don’t completely agree with his justification for wanting to put an end to the chant, but his logic is sound, and his explanation of the reasons why MLS wants to put an end to it is spot on.
“YSA is a ridiculous chant in any case!” I’ve heard this so many times before.
- I understand why the Major League Soccer and club executives do not want swearing to be uttered in unison.
- It was audible to children.
- I’ve heard every one of the arguments.
- I find it inconvenient to be told what I may and cannot say, which is what upsets me.
- It’s worth noting that FC DallasStadium has a somewhat different set up than many other stadiums in that regard.
- Yes, children may still hear swear words being screamed out from our neighborhood, especially if they are yelled out in unison.
- Given my enthusiasm for all of my teams, I don’t want to be seated among a large group of youngsters at any athletic event I attend.
- That is something I am able to accomplish at the Beer Garden.
According to the letter, in the case of RSL, supporters’ groups must: (2) support messaging campaigns to all supporters via the web, social media, and face-to-face interactions, including a public endorsement to eradicate suck chanting; and (3) support messaging campaigns to all supporters through the use of social media.
- Do you wish to put an end to the chant?
- You want to make the environment during games more enjoyable for everyone who attends.
- Interested in advising fan-run Supporters Groups what they must do with their own social media accounts?
- With this caution in mind, MLS, NYRB, and RSL have crossed the line into illegal territory.
- They also reserve the authority to eject individuals, remove tifo credentials, and prohibit the use of drums.
- In my opinion, this is a flagrant misuse of authority and a blatant overreach of authority.
- This is the question I’d like to ask: Is there anything that’s written on your ticket?
Most importantly, where is the line drawn between prohibiting the use of swear words and compelling individuals to post things on social networking platforms?
In Big Brother’s arena, there is no room for thoughtcrime.
It is not the case.
For the next four games (three, to be exact), refrain from using the chant.
I’m really not sure what to make of this situation.
Obviously, I can’t speak for New York Racing Board clubs, but it’s extremely difficult for organizations like the Dallas Beer Guardians, which does not charge for membership or food/alcohol during tailgates and instead relies on contributions to help pay expenditures.
I’ve read that all but one of the NYRB SGs feel that the chant should be discontinued.
Garden State Supporters, often known as ULTRA GSS, made their feelings over the NYRB’s proposal quite obvious.
A decision has been reached on the long-term viability of our organization.
This, of course, will result in a great deal of conflict between us and the FO, as previously said.
This is our club, this is our city, and this is our family.
Come out and show your support for your club by holding your head up and singing loudly!
Obviously, the FO is on the watch for “inappropriate” language and behavior, as we are well aware.
While we believe that the YSA chant is a stupid ass, if you feel compelled to use it to let the FO know that they are a bunch of jerks, go ahead and do it anyhow.
That is, without a doubt, a clear position.
When Seattle Sounders supporters arrived at a game earlier this year, they were given a beautiful little flier to take with them.
Only a few days after the occurrence, Steve Stoehr of The Bent Musket published a story about it.
There is also footage of one of the arrests available on the site.
Ascapo in the second half resulted in Monty Rodrigues, a former Midnight Riders president who had served the team for many years, being verbally harassed by TeamOps personnel.
Monty refused to accept the accusations and stormed out of the building.
I’ve been to games and sat in the Fort, and I don’t recall Monty cursing or leading chants that contained obscenity, unless it was added by the fans.
This is the type of thing that may be seen on the television broadcast of the match.
People who quietly and unassumingly followedMonty out in protest were arbitrarily apprehended and, in some cases, detained as a result of the protests at Fort Knox.
Cause groups participating in the YSA chant or setting an example to casual fans that they may be arrested if they say the wrong thing do greater damage to Major League Soccer?
This second installment will examine how Major League Soccer exploits SG culture to promote the league, as well as the narrow line that SGs are often required to walk in order to support their own clubs.
Major League Soccer Has a Vulgarity Problem
As the sole contributor who is also an active member of a Supporter’s Group (SG), I’ve been questioned about my thoughts on Major League Soccer (MLS) and the efforts of a few clubs to put an end to the “You Suck Asshole!” (YSA!) chant during games, among other things. Let me begin by stating that this is my personal perspective on the YSA chant and that it in no way reflects the official position of the Dallas Beer Guardians. We don’t know what we would do if the FO and Major League Soccer sought to shut down our chants, and as of right now they haven’t tried.
- It was this letter that sparked the latest round of controversy about the chant.
- I don’t entirely agree with his justification for wanting to put an end to the chant, but his logic is sound, and his dissection of the reasons why MLS wants to put an end to the chant is accurate and thorough.
- “YSA is a ridiculous chant anyhow!” I’ve heard this so many times before.
- That the Major League Soccer and club executives do not want curses uttered at the same time is understandable to me.
- Apparently, it was audible to children.
- Everything has been explained to me.
- I find it inconvenient to be told what I may and cannot say, which is why I oppose the proposal.
It’s worth noting that FC DallasStadium has a somewhat different build up than many other stadiums in this regard.
In our neighborhood, children can still hear swear words thrown out, especially when they are yelled out in a group.
Given my enthusiasm for all of my teams, I don’t want to be seated among a large group of youngsters at any athletic event I attend.
This is made possible by the Beer Garden.
However, there is another component of each letter that I find particularly offensive.
Want to put an end to this chant?
Interested in making games a better experience for everyone who attends?
So, you want to start dictating to fan-run Supporter’s Groups what they MUST do with their own social media accounts?
New York Red Bulls and Royals have crossed the threshold with this disclaimer.
They also reserve the right to eject individuals, remove tifo rights, and prohibit the use of drums on the premises..
In my opinion, this is a flagrant misuse of authority and a major overreach of the powers granted to him.
This is the question I’d like to pose.
In what section of the Major League Soccer Code of Fan Conduct does it specifically state that?
One of my favorite quotes comes from RSL Soapbox, and it comes from Chad Loveland: You will do what you are taught and will adore your big brother because it is not enough to simply obey your big brother; you must also love him.
I understand that you believe this is a disproportionate response to the situation.
How does the Red Bulls intend to combat the YSA pandemic, exactly?
I was intrigued by this method of approaching the situation.
I mean, who took the time to travel from New York to Colorado, really?
I’m not sure what to make of this situation.
No offense to NYRB clubs, but it’s extremely difficult for organizations like the Dallas Beer Guardians, which does not charge for membership or food/alcohol during tailgates and instead relies on contributions to help pay expenditures.
I’ve read that all but one of the NYRB SGs feel that the chant should be put to an end; You know, the one that didn’t make the grade?
All GSU brothers and sisters should pay attention.
From this day forward, GSU will not receive a single dime from either the FO or Redbull Corporations.
We, on the other hand, are united.
Censorship and purchase are not an option for us.
Arrive early, show your support for your club, and sing with your voice up high.
Obviously, the FO is on the watch for “inappropriate” language and behavior, which we all know about.
We are not going to be silenced.
Our strength is in numbers; our weakness is in divisions.
I don’t hold it against them.
viai.imgur.com It was two years ago in New England when the most infamous incidence of a club going to severe steps to halt the YSA chant occurred, which resulted in two arrests and twenty-five suspensions from Gillette Stadium.
It’s important to read his whole explanation of what took place.
However, it was not until later in the game that the increased presence of police officers and TeamOps personnel surrounding the Fort became a major issue for fans.
The Fort’s security and TeamOps officials had verbally abused Monty twice, and he was accused of leading obscene chants and encouraging violence.
You should keep in mind that capos are warned repeatedly not to curse since doing so would result in the confiscation of their megaphone(s).
It was at this moment that the Fort was inundated with what appeared to be severe prejudice from TeamOps, security, and law enforcement officers.
As Santos recounted, “they came down as if they’d had a pep lecture from Knute Rockne.
In the video below, which was given by a fan in the neighborhood, you can plainly see a fan providing no resistance as he is detained for, to quote the Foxborough police officer who cuffed him, “being a f*****g dickhead.” This, once again, raises the question of where we draw the line in terms of acceptable behavior.
This second installment will examine how Major League Soccer leverages SG culture to promote the league, as well as the narrow line that SGs are sometimes required to walk in order to support their own teams.
MLS YSA policy explained
REAL SALT LAKE – YSA – Real Salt Lake Real Salt Lake and Major League Soccer are dedicated to the development of a dynamic and healthy atmosphere in our stadiums. Read more about our commitment here. In order to do this, we must create a League-wide culture that celebrates the enthusiasm of our core supporters. That enthusiasm, on the other hand, must be shown in a responsible manner that is consistent with the Real Salt Lake and Major League Soccer Fan Code of Conduct. Our different Supporter Clubs (including but not limited to: RCB, SCU, La Barra, TRP, and Section 26) have been urged to take the lead in eradicating the YSA chant (and portions thereof, such as “You Suck.”) not just inside their own groups, but also across the stadium as a whole.
As a result, between now and August 10th, an evaluation will be conducted at both home and away matches to determine whether or not ALL RSL FANS are committed to eradicating YSA and other foul language shouts.
- REAL SALT LAKE – YSA – Youth Soccer Association Our teams, Real Salt Lake, and Major League Soccer, are committed to the development of a dynamic and healthy atmosphere in each of their respective stadiums. As a League, we are committed to creating a culture that celebrates the enthusiasm of our core fans. But that enthusiasm must be expressed in a respectful way that is consistent with the Real Salt Lake and Major League Soccer Fan Code of Conduct. Our numerous Supporter Clubs (including but not limited to: RCB, SCU, La Barra, TRP, and Section 26) have been requested to take the initiative in removing the YSA chant (and portions thereof, such as “You Suck.”) not only inside their own groups, but also throughout the Stadium. It has grown increasingly difficult for the club, the league, and its commercial partners to deal with obscenity in both organized mass form and by individual supporters since last season. Therefore, between now and August 10th, a review of ALL RSL FANS’ commitment to eradicating YSA and other foul language chants at both home and away matches will be conducted at both venues. Included among these matches are:
YSA, its derivatives, and other chants employing mass use of foul language have been prohibited at Rio Tinto Stadium and on the road. Members of Real Salt Lake Supporter Clubs have been empowered to (1) demonstrate a universal commitment to eradicate YSA, its derivatives, and other chants employing mass use of foul language – both at Rio Tinto Stadium and on the road; (2) support messaging campaigns via web, social media, and face-to-face to all supporters, including a public endorsement to Both Real Salt Lake and Major League Soccer have sent a formal notification to the RSL fan community that major adjustments must be made by the RSL fan base by August 11th, 2013.
It will be decided at that point whether a new strategy involving increased fines against ONLY the guilty parties, with the assistance of Major League Soccer, is required.
Groups who insist on widespread use of vulgarity in any language are also liable to disciplinary punishment, which may include (but is not limited to) the following:
- It is not permissible to use smoke devices, flag poles, banners, or other forms of display during either home or away matches. At Rio Tinto Stadium, you may cancel your parking passes, stadium credentials, and field passes. Drums, megaphones, and a Capo Stand are prohibited.
Our Supporters Clubs, their members, and individual supporters are all important to Real Salt Lake and all of its departments are dedicated to them. We appreciate the club’s unwavering support and devotion, and we are prepared to use any of their resources to ensure that this League-wide project is a resounding success for everyone involved. Because we are the only club in the 100-year history of North American soccer to have an anthem like BELIEVE as part of the fabric of our club, we take great delight in being so unique.
Be amusing, be intelligent, and be better than the people who are forcing your fellow fans to explain what particular phrases mean to their families in front of them.
New York Red Bulls offer to pay fans to stop chanting ‘You suck a–hole’
Over the course of several years, Major League Soccer fans have developed a fairly obscene custom of yelling “You suck a–hole!” at rival goalkeepers when they blast goal kicks down the field at the start of each half. Supporters at some Major League Soccer stadiums have become used to the custom, and the league has worked relentlessly to put an end to the practice. The New York Red Bulls made an announcement on a new strategy earlier this week. According to Sports Illustrated, the New York Red Bulls have informed its three fan organizations — the Empire Supporters Club, the Garden State Ultras, and the Viking Army — that they will each get $500 for every home game in which they do not sing the “YSA” cry.
In a statement released on Monday, the Empire Supports Club said that the money could be used for “almost everything we do, from purchasing batteries for the megaphone to offsetting costs for bus excursions.” Real Salt Lake has also issued a warning to their supporters to refrain from participating in the YSA chants, albeit the team is not paying any monetary compensation.
- “We have this ‘Believe’ chant that is really fantastic.
- That, we believe, lifts the bar a little higher.
- What is the source of this desperation?
- If the league wishes to portray itself as a family-friendly form of entertainment, the chanting of the YSA is detrimental to that image.
- As a high school girl discovered when her father forbade her from dating an 18-year-old male, it’s just more fun when someone else prevents you from doing something you really want to do.
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Is It “YS, A” or “YSA”?
Dick Mac is the author of this piece. According to Zac Wassink’s story published today on Yahoo! Sports, Major League Soccer’s (MLS) new order to limit the use of profanity in chants during games is being discussed. See, RBNY Fan: New York Fans of the New York Red Bulls are taking action… When the opposition goalie takes a goal kick to send the ball soaring back into play, the league has specifically instructed clubs to get their support groups in order and refrain from yelling “You Suck Asshole” or “You Suck, Asshole” (YSA).
- They plan social activities, parties, and fundraising events outside of the stadium, organize a march to the stadium on game day, and offer ninety minutes of unwavering verbal support for the team during the whole game.
- Red Bull New York is a team for whom I have season tickets (RBNY).
- When the team played at Giants Stadium, there was just one major supporters club: the Empire Supporters Club.
- They were assigned to Section 101.
- When the team relocated to Red Bull Arena, three sections behind the south goal were set aside particularly for fan groups to watch the team play.
- My daughter and I joined the Viking Army, which was a great experience.
- Because it was founded by the sharpest, wisest, funniest and kindest members of the supporters club community, I decided to become a member of the Vikings Army.
For the sake of my daughter’s safety, we do not sit in Section 102 with the rest of the Army because she is still quite tiny and is terrified by all of the continual movement behind the goal.
However, more than one source has stated that the YSA cry started at Giants Stadium with the ESC.
That appears to be as probable as any other “historical truth” to me since I have no notion.
A cry that has gained popularity among certain teams and towns has been outlawed by others, and the vast majority of us simply ignore it.
It’s a little inconvenience.
This is a significant step forward for the league.
Not because of malicious intent, but just because more people are paying attention.
Without a doubt, we want our sport to be taken seriously, and we want other people to be able to share in the excitement and emotion that soccer brings them.
All of those things are desirable to us.
NBC is dissatisfied with the fact that its field microphones captured three thousand voices chanting YSA into millions of homes throughout the United States.
We all take for granted that there is a continual hum of activity in the background of the action when we are watching television.
As a result, NBC will not be doing away with their field microphones.
Whenever the opposition goalie takes his goal kick, the YSA chant is audible and loud across the country on every television set.
They will not allow it, and if Major League Soccer is to continue to expand and be taken seriously by adults with money, the use of the term “asshole” in the broadcast must be eliminated.
The Major League Soccer (MLS) has issued a direction to each team, and each team has in turn issued a directive to their respective supporters clubs.
It has been stated by this group that the chant is outdated and has passed its expiration date, and that we can do better.
They assert that the YSA and the enthusiasm it represents are an intrinsic element of the soccer experience in which they participate.
The opposite is also true: neither side is correct and neither side is incorrect.
Some of the counter-arguments are even more ridiculous than the first.
Despite the fact that I do not agree with the ban, the MLS’s justification for doing so is far more compelling than the justifications advanced by those who favor it.
The level of the shouts from the RBNY fans is excellent during their matches.
Section 101 residents suddenly pulled one shoe from their feet, brandished it in the air, and chanted: “There is only one shoe.
This was one of the most amusing occurrences I’ve ever witnessed in public, and it made me laugh out loud.
Although many continue to support the less impressive YSA chant, they are outraged by the suggestion that we would cave in and abandon YSA due to pressure from the club and league.
To those who believe that no chant should be prohibited or expression suppressed, I would like to point out that I once posted a query on a message board and never received a response.
I’d want to know if the chant is (1) “You suck, asshole” or (2) “You suck, asshole” so that I can appropriately explain it to my eight-year-old daughter when she asks what YSA stands for when she asks what YSA means.
Any more information on the term, including a third plausible definition, would be appreciated.
What exactly are we shouting at?
The YSA chant was once amusing, but it has since fallen well below the standards of such a distinguished group of fans.
Perhaps I’m overlooking something and can be persuaded to the other side if I’m given a good enough reason. Vikings, row, row, row! For the love of Red Bull!
Why Sports Teams Can’t Regulate Speech
Photograph by Mike Stobe / Getty Images On September 29, 2012, in Harrison, New Jersey, fans erupted in applause during the match between the Toronto FC and the New York Red Bulls at Red Bull Arena. Major League Baseball (MLB) Soccer, an 18-year-old professional league in the United States that has gained in popularity in recent years, includes some supporters who are foul-mouthed. That scarcely distinguishes MLS from the competition. And even if the spectators are cursing — either at their own team or at an opponent — at least they are concerned about the outcome.
- It has been a habit for certain fans to chant “You Suck, A——” against opposition goalkeepers during goal kicks, which has become rather popular.
- Fans of Real Salt Lake and the New York Red Bulls have received letters from their clubs, according to Deadspin.com.
- The “You Suck, A——” chant is particularly mentioned in the letters as the “YSA” chant, which is rather adorable.
- Real Salt Lake fan clubs (RCB, SCU, La Barra, TRP, and Section 26) have attempted to self-eradicate the YSA chant and elements of it, such as “You Suck…,” but their efforts have worsened since last season, according to the club.
- When playing at home or away, it is not permissible to use any smoke devices, flag poles, banners, or other forms of display.
- – Drums, megaphones, and the Capo Stand will be prohibited.
It was reported by Straus that the team had “notified its three fan groups — the Empire Supporters Club, the Garden State Ultras, and the Viking Army — that $500 would be donated to each of them for every home game during which the phrase “Youth Soccer Association” is not heard in Red Bull Arena’s South Ward.” As previously said, the money will be distributed in $2,000 increments, which means that the stadium must be free of ‘YSA’ for four games before the fans are compensated.” Straus got a copy of a communication delivered to members of the Empire Supporters Club by the club’s president.
In the statement, it stated that “we may utilize this money for reimbursement for practically everything we do, from purchasing batteries for the megaphone to covering bus travel costs.” But hang for a sec: if I’m a devoted Red Bulls supporter who attends games with my family and refrains from using profanity, I won’t receive a bonus.
- I’d want some money to help cover the cost of my journey as well — the George Washington Bridge toll is currently 13 dollars.
- Interfering with fan discourse is a difficult task.
- Tribal chants, on the other hand, are popular in soccer, maybe because of the nature of the game.
- Alternatively, you might taunt the opposing side.
- Even while the MLS’s efforts are well-intentioned and understandable, I’m skeptical that they will be fruitful.
- Do you really want to be instructed what not to say when you’re spending your hard-earned money to go see a soccer game?
- Even while the payouts from the Red Bulls are a more appealing inducement, they appear to be unjust to well-behaved supporters.
Maybe fans simply need a gentle reminder that if they’re yelling gratuitous obscenity in front of their children, YSA will take action against them. (MORE: The Number of NFL Arrests Is Increasing.) What Makes That a Surprise)
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- ChicagoNat’l Team:United States of America, April 21, 2001 The state of Utah, it appears, does not understand sarcasm. Club:Chicago Fire (England) on June 16, 2003. England is the national team. Greddy is absolutely correct. YSA is never led by the Capo. Their primary goal is to keep the chant alive so that we may continue after YSA has ended.. People, on the other hand, appear to be having a great time doing it, and I’m not sure how we can stop them. It is in no way associated with official policy. To be really honest, if you don’t want your children to hear the term “a-hole,” you should avoid taking them to a sporting event altogether. I suppose that the majority of these children have participated in young soccer, and that they have heard worse from their parents on the sidelines of those games. And just to be clear, the only profanity that the section uses on a regular basis is “a-hole,” and it’s a very mild one at that. In the event that particular Section 8’ers decide not to curse, they may always put the goalie’s name into the chant, such as “You suck Rimando!”
- Or they can just refrain from saying anything at all, as I do. This chant will be led by me personally at every game if necessary, so I’ll reserve my throat for something a bit more worthwhile, like the other 89 minutes of the game while we’re chanting. We should never modify any of our chants
- The ysa chant was a big part of what inspired me to request my father to take me to more fire games in the beginning. If you can’t allow your children to hear a swear word 5 times in a 90-minute period of time, then they are far too sheltered for their own good! It was fairly horrible, but at the same time, it was great to hear the “F- you, Cobi” chants that went through when LA was playing in the old SF during the World Series. It is sufficient to inform all of your children that the chorus is actually saying: YOU SUCK AT GOAL
- Personally, the chant makes me giggle. Even though I don’t sit in Section 8, I believe the post initiator raises a very important topic. It is not true that every 7-year-old is rushing about screaming abuse at their AYSO goalkeepers just because the majority of you are comfortable and experienced with ‘colorful language.’ As a parent of some very young children, I’ve seen that kids frequently repeat what they hear, with little understanding of what they’re saying or the context in which they’re speaking. It is very understandable for a parent to be concerned about knowingly exposing their children to even the most moderate of words. The most compelling point provided by the thread’s creator is that he has personally witnessed people who did not attend a Fire game solely due of YSA’s actions. In the end, that is probably not a good thing. It’s amusing to me that a couple of old-timers are simply weary of it. At first, I wasn’t startled by the knee-jerk reactions
- This is standard operating procedure around here. I’m also well aware that nothing will change. So I’ll continue to snicker, and it appears that some people will continue to refuse to go
- I don’t believe the entire world is intended to be acceptable for seven-year-olds, at least not in my opinion. If we wait until seven-year-olds are able to purchase their own tickets, I believe we should take a moment to consider our own conduct in the context of seven-year-olds. My partner has a measure that he employs that, while I don’t quite agree with, does have some value. If the thing in issue, whether it’s a restaurant, athletic event, or whatever, distributes alcoholic beverages, then it’s evident that it exists only to provide ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. Things that are not acceptable for children may and will happen, and we will deal with them as best we can. However, assuming that this area is designed to be child friendly from the beginning is a non-starter
- I can’t believe we are doing this again again. As a starting point, let’s acknowledge that this is simply a fvcking planet. It’s a shithole. It is NOTHING to be concerned about. It’s a proper noun. It only takes on significance if you are foolish enough to allow it to. In spite of this, I am well aware that there are far more dumb individuals on this planet than there are not so stupid ones. It’s something that we all have to deal with on a daily basis (both the foolish and not so stupid folks). So. Continuing on. YSA is not a chant that has been organized. It may be stopped if people decide that they do not wish to do it. It’s something I don’t do. I continue to chant whatever it was that we were previously singing. I believe it is foolish because it has been replicated by far too many individuals and because it is not unique in any way. I couldn’t give a damn about the word a$$hole any way. It’s just a fvcking word, that’s all. Regardless, it isn’t like Section 8 is actively attempting to keep this very terrible, world-changing cry alive and in circulation. People who come to the area appear to be motivated to participate, therefore they do so. That’s the end of the narrative. Other folks aren’t going to rush about with bats and clong people over the head because they’re doing something wrong. “Hey! That’s disrespectful to someone somewhere, so get that off your back, you cruel, evil person you are “It would be great if someone could come up with something better for goal kicks that would be both innovative and entertaining to sing. If it was good enough, it would be able to replace YSA completely. However, the reality is that nobody has come up with anything, and YSA continues to exist. If someone is so dang concerned about 1) coming up with something better that is good enough to catch on and 2) coming to Section 8 and doing it, getting your buddies to do it, and making it the new thing to do, then they should stop worrying and do something better. YSA will be eliminated as a result of this. Failure to do anything else is like to whining into the wind
- Tottenham Hotspur Football Club was founded on November 3, 2001 in Indiana. Then, according to your definition, this conversation is worthwhile. Due to the fact that you are being judged on your behavior in the context of parents of seven-year-olds, and it is precisely these parents who are purchasing tickets, I believe we should do YSA when we take corner kicks in the south end. The goalkeeper will be disturbed as a result of this when someone attempts to score against him. Perhaps it would function better at that location. It’s possible that the goalkeeper may shank a kickoff, at least in part due of the YSA chant, but messing up on a corner would be much, much worse
- No, you sprinted right by it. When a seven-year-old is purchasing a ticket to a Fire game, I will consider whether or not I should correct any of my own actions in light of the fact that a seven-year-old is in attendance. Whenever a PARENT decides to bring their KID to an event, it is the PARENT’s job to ensure that the event is appropriate for the child and to deal with any situations that may arise that are distressing for the child. It is NEITHER the duty of the event nor the obligation of the participants. PARENTS do not have the authority to PUSH the duties of parenting their child onto the shoulders of other people. If they are experiencing difficulties, they SHOULD remain at home. It’s possible that you should stay at home as well if *you* have a problem
- Chicago, IL, June 24, 2003Club: FC Barcelona National Team: The United States of America If only we could beat every team 7-0 at least once in our careers. When I try to attend communion with a leather thong and paisties, I am booted out of the church. Why is it that I constantly getting kicked out of church? I come to a halt after YS at the chant time. More so because I do not believe that Kevin Hartman or Jon Busch are in fact jerks who deserve to be beaten. In the case of a man like Garlick who is wasting my time, I’ll occasionally give him the A. This conversation will not go anywhere in this forum, but it is a legitimate point of concern. The thread initiator is referring to revenue that has been lost. The answer that it is not our responsibility to raise their children is ill-thought through. Furthermore, one should feel free to masturbate outside the perimeter fence during kindergarten recess and then blame the instructors for allowing the children to watch it. That argument, based on my previous interactions with local officials, does not go very far. Section 8 will most certainly become a PG section at some time in the future, since Guppy will most likely determine that family friendly is more essential than enthusiast friendly. That is most likely the explanation for the fresh set of announcements that are made at the start of each half of the season. Please keep in mind that PW will not be present in an official role for BV. For starters, I believe it is past time for the A in YSA to be dropped
- In fact, this is one of the things that is not well thought through. If there were genuine rules in existence against masturbating in public, you would be in trouble regardless of whether or not there were children in attendance. It is not the responsibility of society to ensure that youngsters are hygienic. People who are hypersensitive, shortsighted, and clueless are frequently heard saying things like “we need to make *this* safe for children, we need to make *that* safe for children.” It’s all varieties of one of the most prevalent illnesses in the United States. persons who are unwilling to take personal responsibility for their actions It is the parent’s responsibility to ensure that their child’s environment is appropriate for the youngster (and as a corollary, prepare the kid for the environment). No one else has the authority to perform that function, and if you are not prepared to take on that duty, it is in your best interests and the best interests of your potential children that you refrain from seeking to participate in the gene pool. It’s not like someone is in the stands yelling every word known to man in the direction of the children. It’s only one word, yet it’s effective. Worrying about the potentially devastating consequences of this term is just nonsense. Every month, we receive posts on these message boards from people who have hypotheses on why people don’t show up. It comes down to this: if you make the climate unwelcoming for those who have demonstrated they would come, you are selling a definite thing for an impossible fantasy. Which brings us to the question of what church you attend that provides beer. It appears to be one of the few demoninations that is worth contemplating
- Tottenham Hotspur FC was founded on November 3, 2001 in Indiana. As a result, this conversation is worthwhile according to your criteria. Due to the fact that you are being judged on your conduct in the context of parents of seven-year-olds, and it is precisely these parents who are purchasing tickets, I believe we should do YSA when we take corner kicks in the south end. As a result, when someone attempts to score against him, the goalkeeper is preoccupied. Surely it would function better at that location. It is possible that the goaltender may shank a kickoff, at least in part due of the YSA chant, but messing up on a corner would be much, much worse
- No, you sprinted right by it.. As soon as I realize that a seven-year-old is purchasing tickets to a Fire game, I will consider whether or not I should address any of my own actions in the presence of a seven-year-old. Any parent who wishes to bring their KID to an event is responsible for ensuring that it is acceptable for the child and for dealing with any issues that may arise that are upsetting to the child. THE EVENTS are NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING. PARENTS do not have the authority to PUSH the duties of parenting their child onto the shoulders of others who work with them. The person SHOULD remain at home if he or she has a problem. It’s possible that you should stay at home as well if you’re having a difficulty. F.C. Barcelona was founded on June 24, 2003 in Chicago. Team USA is the national team. If only we could beat every team 7-0 at least once in a season! What is it about me that I keep being booted out of church for attempting to take communion in a leather thong and paisties while that chant REALLY worked on Bo? YS is my last song, and chant time is when I come to a complete stop. This is mostly because I do not believe that Kevin Hartman or Jon Busch are in fact jerks. In the case of a man like Garlick who is squandering my time, I’ll occasionally give him an A+. Despite the fact that this is a pointless issue, it is a legitimate one to raise. Loss of revenue is being discussed by the thread’s instigator. Because it is not our responsibility to raise their children, the answer is ill-conceived. Furthermore, one should feel free to masturbate outside the perimeter fence during kindergarten recess and then blame the instructors for allowing the children to be present to watch the act. That argument, based on my previous interactions with local officials, does not carry much water. Section 8 will most certainly become a PG section at some time in the future, since Guppy will most likely determine that family friendly is more essential than fanatic friendly in the long run. The fact that a new set of announcements is made at the beginning of each half is most likely the explanation for this practice. Take note that PW will not be present in an official role during BV. The A in YSA should, at a minimum, be dropped
- In fact, this is the part that wasn’t properly thought through in the first place: “YSA.” You would be in trouble regardless of whether or not there were children around due to the fact that there are actual laws in existence prohibiting masturbation in public places. Creating a hygienic environment for children is not the responsibility of society. The phrase “we need to make *this* safe for children, we need to make *that* safe for children” is frequently heard from hypersensitive, shortsighted, and clueless individuals. It’s all varieties of one of the most prevalent illnesses in the United States today. a group of persons who are unable to assume personal responsibility In order to provide their child with a safe and acceptable environment, parents must take the following steps: (and as a corollary, prepare the kid for the environment). No one else has the authority to perform that function, and if you are not willing to take on that duty, it is in your best interests and the best interests of your potential progeny that you refrain from seeking to participate in the gene pool in the first instance. It’s not like someone is yelling every curse imaginable in the direction of the children at the stadium. The term “mild” sums it up nicely. Bemoaning the potentially catastrophic consequences of this term is complete nonsense…. Every month, we get posts on these message boards from people who have hypotheses on why people don’t attend. It comes down to this: if you make the climate unwelcoming for those who have demonstrated they would come, you are selling a sure thing for an impossible fantasy.. Which brings us to the question of what church you go to that provides beer. One of the few demoninations worth contemplating, it appears to be
- Tottenham Hotspur Football Club was founded on November 3, 2001 in Indiana. While the ‘heated enthusiasm’ of Section 8 is impressive now, it was even more impressive when they weren’t the only few thousand people in the stadium. To be really honest, I believe the game of “who’s the best?” is a game of give and take. It’s hard to argue that a chorus of “fire!” from more than 20,000 people throughout old army field exceeded today’s “you suckers!” from one ticket taker in front of more than 60,000 empty seats, but to each his or her own. ok. It’s unfair to hold the empty stadium responsible for the chant. Portion 8 does add to the mood of the entire stadium, though, and not only in that particular section of the stadium. look. We all (I assume) hope for a greater number of fans to show up. As a possible ticket buyer, I’ll be the first to agree that if a potential ticket buyer has unreasonable expectations of the rest of us, the response “maybe you should just stay home” is a valid one. Suppose someone said: “I’d come out to fire games if only those folks sitting on the south end would sit down and stop making so much noise,” and I agreed that “maybe he should just remain at home.” but I’d say it because, after evaluating the value of his ticket against the value of standing and singing/shouting, I came to the conclusion that the latter was worth more than his $20. if people are weighing the value of the YSA chant against the unknown revenue and potential additional atmosphere created by a larger crowd and concluding that “hey, it’s not worth it for that,” then I can’t argue with them, can I? However, this is far preferable than a kneejerk reaction of ‘f off’ without taking the time to weigh the benefits and drawbacks of the situation. As a result, I believe this is a useful discussion, regardless of whether it has any impact on the usage of that particular chant. For the first 5 or so times this topic appeared, I might perhaps agree with you
- But, after that, I couldn’t say the same. If anyone has any doubts about the significance of Section 8 to the fire experience, they simply have to think back to the eight minutes we were gone during the home opener this year. The stadium resembled a mortuary in every way. If we ever find ourselves subjected to censorship, it will be a sad day.
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Major Link Soccer: YSA Sanctions, Pele with Cosmos
At Major League Soccer matches, the YSA chant (You Suck Asshole) spreads like a zombie virus. Once the first person became infected, the disease spread like wildfire until a group of sane individuals got together to put an end to the craziness (though the level of violence thankfully diverges here and ruins the whole parallel). Real Salt Lake is far from being in a “The Last of Us” situation, but they believe they have found a solution: cease the chanting or we’ll make life tough for our most ardent supporters.
- a new hairstyle or anything like that after he came up to practice with his face completely bleached DeAndre Yedlinden rejects any culpability, stating he was “out of the country” at the time of the incident.
- In other news, Wesley Snipes has agreed to a loan deal with the Seattle Sounders.
- Even while traveling across the country and with the poorest record in the league, United is a dangerous squad that has the potential to break out of their rut at any time, and no one wants to be the side that falls subject to their machinations first.
- Their extravagant spending resulted in the acquisition of players such as Pele, as well as a cult following that endured for decades after their demise.
- After a successful season in the NASL (and, rumor has it, in the New York City League 3), the Cosmos are returning to the lower league, and Pele will be there to reassure the supporters that it’s alright to rally behind the club once again.
- It does not matter whether you are the type of Sounder at Heart reader that does not join in the MLS game threads because of foolish things like “the games aren’t on in my region,” since MLS provides something for everyone.
- While we were all disappointed that the Sounders were playing at home last time, there is NO SUCH CONFLICT THIS TIME AROUND.
- If goal line technology existed, soccer would be much more enjoyable.
- Nike is putting on night soccer matches where the field appears like something out of a 2D Tron videogame, according to a report from Reuters.
- Sporting KC handed away a Kansas City product to Toronto in exchange for a 2015 first-round draft selection.
- The match between the Seattle Sounders and the Los Angeles Galaxy was originally slated to be officiated by everyone’s favorite MLS official, but he was replaced.
Mayers of the New York Times was prepared with a tweet for the occasion: I believe Saturday will be Schmid’s 400th Major League Soccer game, but if Ricardo Salazar is the referee on Wednesday, let’s take things one game at a time.— Joshua Mayers (@joshuamayers) Tuesday, July 2, 2013 Oh, and on Monday, I was admitted to the University of Washington’s graduate program.
With only five years behind the curve, I will have, at the very least, the sixth-best alcohol tolerance on campus, behind only Michael Young and my first three teachers in terms of ability to tolerate alcohol.
I intended to say four, not three. And did I mention that I’m going to be attending a university?
MLS To Red Bulls Fans: Stop Calling Players A-holes, Or Else
Fans of the New York Red Bulls have informed DC United goalie Bill Hamid that he is an asshole. Fans of the New York Red Bulls have informed DC United goalie Bill Hamid that he is an asshole. Gothamist photographer Dan Dickinson Ever attempted to watch a sporting game and thought, “I’d love this so much more if there wasn’t all this organized profanity?” Or, “I’d appreciate this so much more if there wasn’t all this planned profanity?” Major League Soccer believes you have, and they have ordered Red Bull New York supporters to cease chanting a certain phrase or face repercussions.
- As the away goalie hits the ball, a crescendoing note causes the majority of the crowd to yell out in unison, “YOU SUCK, ASSHOLE!” Here’s what “YSA” sounds like while it’s being used: As is typical of sports chants, it is equal parts amusing and ridiculous.
- During a recent interview with commissioner Don Garber, he described the agony of hearing the cry during a preseason game at Red Bull Arena, which was packed with camp kids: “Honestly, it’s a source of irritation for me.
- It is not well received by our broadcast partners.
- There are certain markets where they must put a stop to it, including New York, as well as a few others.
- It is not acceptable to have young children in stadiums listening to obscenity.
It would not be tolerated at any other public event, and we cannot allow it in Major League Soccer.” As a result of the pressure to “eradicate” it, the New York Red Bulls’ three supporters organizations got a letter from the league and the club, stating that “the enthusiasm of our core fans.must be shown in a responsible manner.” The parties have been instructed to “show a common commitment to remove YSA and foul chants both in Red Bull Arena and on the road,” among other things, during the four games that will be monitored in July.
If you do not comply, you will face increasingly severe consequences.
While the supporters’ groups have not yet decided what, if anything, they will do with the money (accepting money from a club is considered by some to be the soccer equivalent of “selling out”), this could very well be the first time in the history of American sports that a team has offered money to prevent the term “asshole” from being thrown around its stadium.
While the outcome of the game will have significant implications for the Eastern Conference standings, the issue on everyone’s mind will be whether Troy Perkins is or is not a jerk who deserves to be fired. Unfortunately, we may never find out.
Red Bull fan group profanely rejects cash offer to stop YSA chant
In light of Major League Soccer and commissioner Don Garber’s determination to put an end to the persistent and profane “You suck a-hole” chants heard throughout the league, the New York Red Bulls front office reached out to its three supporter groups in the so-called South Ward, and one of those groups responded by essentially giving them the finger. Red Bull, one of four teams still struggling to wean their fans away from the YSA chant, took the unusual step of offering the Empire Supporters Club, Viking Army, and Garden State Ultras each $500 for every game the South Ward is YSA-free, with the money being distributed in $2,000 increments, according to the team’s front office.
- “Beginning today, GSU will not receive a single cent from the FO or Redbull.
- We, on the other hand, are united in our resolve.
- We will not be silenced, and we will not be purchased,” said the group.
- “All we want of you during these challenging times is that you come in with your best effort.” Come out and show your support for your club by holding your head up and singing loudly!
- We’re saying (f*ck) them!
- As far as the YSA is concerned, we believe it is a stupid ass chant; nevertheless, if you feel compelled to use it to inform the FO that they are pieces of (crap), go ahead.
- In essence, the Viking Army and the ESC might opt to cooperate with the front office on what looks to be a done deal and collect their money, whilst the GSU would be subject to disciplinary measures.
- The five members of the Board of Directors are doing everything we can to collaborate with, listen to, and represent our members.
- A major challenge is maintaining order among a membership that may or may not always agree with the board of directors’ choices.
In an interview with the New York Post yesterday, Red Bulls general manager Jerome de Bontin urged that the South Ward be compensated, and he used the phrase “a carrot or a stick.” Glenn Stampiglia, an ESC member who is not on the board of directors, expressed his thoughts as follows: “(Screw) You, JDB!
I will not submit to the wrath of a cretin like you.
Mike Vallo, an ESC member, said that the backlash and fury stemmed less from the club’s attempt to curb the YSA chant and more from the club’s slippery slope of accepting funds from the front office and, in turn, selling out their ideals as fans.
I’m guessing that sponsors aren’t interested in the Red Bulls because attendance isn’t particularly impressive and has been stagnant for quite some time, or because television ratings for the league are virtually non-existent, or because the RBFO alienated all of the Metros’ previous sponsors during their first few seasons.
Brent Gamit, a non-board member of the ESC, does not speak on behalf of the organization, but he served as the actual voice of the South Ward.
Also obvious is that, while he is satisfied with whatever the ESC board of directors decides, his feelings are clearly divided on one particular chant that he has taken the lead in more times than others.
“It is criticised because of its lack of originality.” An opposing viewpoint is that there are around 88 minutes of shouts and songs that are deemed “creative” by the audience.
In addition to supporting the team and insulting the opponent, we as supporters, particularly the most vocal, are there to help the team.” Detractors also question why something more innovative or simply better in general can’t be substituted for the current system.
“Cruel pleasures are permitted for intelligent people.” In addition, detractors would claim that the shout is unoriginal.
Having said that, Garber stated in the press last year at Red Bull Arena that the YSA had to be stopped, and de Bontin stated to the Post that the club would “take steps” to do so if necessary.
“Carrots are preferable than sticks in my opinion.
For years, RB has been collaborating with fan organizations in an effort to stop this chanting practice.
The fact that they are still attempting to work with the organizations rather than against them when the final outcome is inevitable is encouraging,” Van Voorhis added, adding humorously to his earlier statement. “The level of journalistic attention, on the other hand, is a little ludicrous.”